I remember seeing a portion of a video on youtube (it was put on in 7 parts, I believe) that was part of the whole 9/11 conspiracy nut brigade. I remember the segment where Rudy Giuliani’s on-radio interview with Peter Jennings had him saying that he knew the towers were going to collapse. Now, the way the video stretches this is that Rudy had extensive knowledge of the fact that the towers were going to fall long before it occured. What Giuliani had actually said was that the fire-fighters on scene had told him just before that they were going to collapse.
Here is a prime example of what liberals who watch youtube are doing with their time in response to nonsense like this. As Giuliani was confronted by these nuts, you can actually detect that he feels real sympathy for the girl that he is talking to.
The people hollering out around her prove that Rosie’s legacy lives on!
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The people in this video came across looking rather pathetic, but I have to take issue with your headline.
“Still Using Victims To Make Their Points”
How many times has Bush and the Republican party exploited 9/11 to further their agenda? It would be impossible to count.
He’s the president of the free world that was attacked on 9/11. It is his responsibility; as commander in chief, to say to you – “brian, 9/11 happened and I’m going to do what I can to prevent it from happening again.”
Using a tragedy to prevent another one from happening again is one thing. But using a tragedy to blame some conpiracy onto your country or its elected representatives is another. Most of this is in the name of electing Democrats.
What would be helpful is if one of them can come forward and say “this is what we can do to help.” All we have heard is criticism. Democrats have been in power now for almost a half year and we’re still waiting for them to work with the Pres to merge their “ideas.” But the first step is, we need to hear those ideas.
9/11 happened to all of us, not just Bush. I was in Manhattan on 9/11 and I took it very personally. I don’t think that anyone should be able to use a national tragedy in their political advertisements, even if they are trying to reassure us.
There have been many shameful remarks from the right about the inability of Democrats to protect Americans from terrorist attacks. We all seem to have forgotten that a Republican was in office when 9/11 happened, and from what I’ve seen he had plenty of warnings about jets and skyscrapers.
You are spot-on about the Democrats. They haven’t really offered any good ideas, other than raising minimum wage. I’m not sure that there are many differences left between either party. It’s all about greed and power.
I know it sounds cynical, but I think we represent nothing more than tax revenue to people in Washington.
By the by, I’ve enjoyed reading your blog even if we have totally opposing views on political matters. I would think that our social views might be a little more in agreement.
I know 9/11 happened to all of us. But as the leader of this nation, it was up to him to address it and to continue to address it and remind us of why he’s doing what he’s doing. Years ago, a commander-in-chief would have never been labeled as a “terrorist” or a “hate-monger” or as someone who made 9/11 happen to start a phony war because he was hungry for oil. He’s entitled as the guy responsible to remind and to comment on whatever he wants -
After all, you stated that 9/11 happened while he was in office – yet, he isn’t supposed to take it seriously and comment on it? I don’t think anything he has said has ever indicated that he thought 9/11 only happened to him.
9/11 happened 8 years after Clinton, btw. 5 major attacks from Muslim fanatics happened during his tenure and nothing was done in response. 9/11 happened 8 months after Bush was elected.
After ripping troops out of Somalia, OBL told ABC News that they realized Americans were nothing but paper-tigers who ran in defeat after a few blows. Talk about emboldening the enemy!
I am conservative with social views as well – or at least on how they should be legislated
I do like Sam Alito, Antonin Scalia, Janice-Rogers Browm, Clarence Thomas, and John Roberts if that answers your question.
Brian said: “How many times has Bush and the Republican party exploited 9/11 to further their agenda? It would be impossible to count.”
Well, Brian, how can the President ever be separated from the perception that he is using the victims of 9/11?
He also has another role called the Commander-In-Chief.
Anything that he could ever say about 9/11 would be used by the libs to say he is exploiting the victims.
Finally, I don’t see the victims of 9/11 out in droves protesting the President.
Uh, I think it is the anti-war people, who have never expressed their concerns for the victims of 9/11.
Devil Dog,
I’m not the one who started the who argument over “using the victims of 9/11″. Perhaps you should refer to the title of the OP.
Also, I’m anti-war and for you to say that I and other anti-war people have “never expressed concern for the victims of 9/11″ really pisses me off. As I stated earlier, I was in Manhattan on that day and it was the scariest day of my life. I saw soot-covered people in tears begging me to use my cellphone to call their family members. How dare you.
Brian -
Let’s not forget how hearltess conservatives were labeled when they refused to cave into Cindy Sheehan. Let’s not forget how Ann Coulter was labeled for attacking the Jersey Girls’ agenda.
Sheehan is a great example: she was the Democrats’ darling and while Conservatives were painted as unsympathetic hatemongers, liberals stepped in the slurp her up one side and down the other.
Now that she’s attacked their party as well, suddenly they’ve put the lid on the love-pot.
Brian, then for Heaven’s sake, I don’t understand how you could not be able to think that terrorists were in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Spain, England, Germany, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Iran, but they have never been in Iraq!
I don’t care if you were at the WTC when it went down – that is a separate issue.
The mere fact that you live through that and now you are anti-war and every looney thing that goes along with that is what I find illogical.
Maybe you weren’t taught a lesson by that awful day, but I was and these people should be gotten rid of yesterday.
I’m glad you can live with yourself – your soot-covered self!
Yeah, Brian, Steve brings up a good point.
Why are you guys throwing Cindy to the ashheap of activists?
She wasn’t towing the line when it came to holding everyone responsible.
I have to give her this: At least she stuck to her guns, unlike the so-called ‘leadership’ in the Dem party and the liberal far left wing that Hillary and Obama are now catering to.
Brian, the reason I bring up all of those countries is because the anti-war movement always proclaims that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but I beg to differ and I for one really don’t care, because to doubt whether terrorists were there or not is a doubt that I care not to encounter should I be wrong in the future. I would rather err on the side of taking them out in Iraq than wait for them to show up somewhere else.
Devil Dog,
You are obviously a very hateful person with your sly remarks like “soot-covered self”, so I will say my piece and then move on to somewhere that I’m not going to be personally attacked.
I will not be the catalyst for the hatred that you feel the need to direct at the Democrats, the anti-war movement, or the “liberal far left”. I am a person, not a political base. I have my own thoughts about things, just as you do. I have arrived at them by reading, thinking for myself, and studying the teachings of Jesus.
I do not believe everything that I hear or read in the news. While you probably view the press as liberal and left-wing, I view them as conservative and cowardly.
Iraq had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11, as has been proven time and time again. Bush lied to the American people about the reasons for war, continuously changing them as they proved to be false. Now we’re somewhere between getting rid of a dictator and promoting democracy in the Middle East. That’s a far cry from WMD and terrorism.
Saddam Hussein was a bad man, but there are plenty of other dictators in the world that we do nothing about.
Don’t blame me for Cindy Sheehan, either. I personally agree with the statements that she made about the Democratic party and I’m certainly not going to follow Clinton or Obama around like some blind sheep. I’ll leave that to the Republicans and King George.
Support the war if you want, but know that you are in a minority. I may be proven wrong; it won’t be the first time and it certainly won’t be the last. However, I will choose peace over conflict any day.
And just so you know… I voted for Bush the first time he ran. I now realize what a mistake that was, but it proves that I am not only loyal to one party. Can you say that?
Brian, you stated you were soot-covered, not me.
Also, I am a person who thinks for myself, and I think you are misguided to think there were no terrorists in Iraq.
Saddam was offering money to those who would kill Americans ($25,000).
Maybe you should read and stay informed.
Brian said:
“Saddam Hussein was a bad man, but there are plenty of other dictators in the world that we do nothing about.”
Well, he was one that we did something about, and without your help.
Brian also said:
“However, I will choose peace over conflict any day.”
Well, I would chose peace over conflict anyday, but I also know when it is time to bring the fists out and put out the fires that start to come your way.
I am curious if you are a supporter of Afghanistan, based on the appeasement you showed in the previous statement.
Brian -
You keep saying that Bush lied to go to war, as we’ve heard over and over again.
That is simply NOT a fact. Saddam made a purposed bluff about WMD to the UN after 9/11 and we couldn’t aford to NOT take it seriously.
Many liberals BEFORE the war like Frank Rich of the NY Times kept talking about how this President kept giving us TOO MANY reasons to go to war.
Liberals in 2003 acknowledged that we went there to free torture chambers, rape rooms, to establish a foothold for our military in the Middle East for the remainder of the war on terror.
What Bush MAY HAVE lied or misled about is how long it is going to take. No President in their right mind (which excludes John Edwards) will pull out of there. This occupation will continue for years where troops will simply be rotated from there to other areas of the Middle East as tensions grow stronger in places like Iran.
Like it or not, Clinton did set us up to look like a bunch of wimps that cannot fight for ourselves. So many good things have happened in Iraq with 1% troops casualties in WW2.
WE HAVE NO CHOICE but to tough it out through the duration which is going to be long and the sooner Americans start accepting that – the better.
Steve, at the very least Saddam was firing on our military daily, or least locking their ground radar on our forces.
We were enforcing the U.N. resolutions set forth after the 1st Gulf War.
See, Brian, lives in a world of lemon drop trees and rivers running with chocolate – nothing ever is bad and if something does go bad, it has to be Americas fault.
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