I decided to work out the mathematical and physics answers to the questions posed, but since math has always been my worst subject (and I’m a science whiz–go figure), I’m still working on it. Until I get that done, here’s an answer to those who are still asking the same questions that have already been faced:
Mucho kudos to RKOwens4 for the work on that vid. (I was having problems with this computer reading the images I wanted to post, so I just caved in and posted the video–it has most of the images I have anyway.)
And I have to answer Simon’s assertion that there was no jet fuel, no fire, and that no wreckage, blood or human remains were found. The images in the above video have been passed around constantly since the Moussoui trial; they show the wreckage found and what little remained. Yes, some passengers’ drivers licenses were found, though few were as discernable as the ones in the video. Yes, some paper survived, including the flight log handwritten by the pilot of N591UA (the plane that was Flight 93), slightly charred and soaked in–gasp!–water and jet fuel.
For those who don’t know, I’m training to become a firefighter. I’m studying fire science, and it is amazing what can survive an intense fire. I’ve seen pictures of people who survived flash fires, with the pockets on their clothes burned away and the contents of the pockets practically untouched. Families will sift through gutted homes and find the most odd objects have survived–pictures, notebooks, that sort of thing. A traumatic crash and explosion will not destroy everything on a plane. Ask any seasoned firefighter or investigator and they’ll tell you that with fire, anything is possible.
So yes, it is probable that these objects did, in fact, survive and were not “planted” as the twoofers might suggest. And Simon…what’s most sickening to me is that there are so many thousands of people in America like you who claim to be asking questions and demanding answers for the sake of the victims, when it is your refusal to accept the truth that is hurting the surviving victims the most. Claiming that CeeCee Lyles’ call to her husband from Flight 93 was faked was the most nauseating thing of all.
We’ve long talked about the 800-pound gorilla in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge. Now we’ve got people pointing it out, but many have moved to refusing to believe what’s standing right in front of them.
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Why won’t you answer my simple question? Where did the nose section go? Did it burrow underground after it crashed?
McElwain DID NOT MENTION wings. She said the fins were on the tail like a “spoiler.” She said she used the word “plane” for a “lack of a better word.” She said it was “military” because it just “had that look.” She also said she couldn’t find one like the one she saw on the internet. If it was a leer-type jet, she would have EASILY found that on the net. Plus, Leer jets have rivets. Her’s didn’t. Face the facts, she saw a UAV fly barely over her van flying in the OPPOSITE direction Flight 93 reportedly flew and saw it seconds BEFORE 93 supposedly crashed. You would agree a UAV shouldn’t have been near the crater seconds before the alleged crash?
According to the official flight path, 93 was upside down when it supposedly flew over Rollock scrap yard where Purbaugh was at. How in the world did he miss it flying upside down if it was 50ft above his head? Also Purbaugh mentioned the aircraft he saw had its wings rocking up and down. That’s not how 93 supposedly flew in and a 757 wouldn’t be able to rock its wings up and down going 530mph a mere 400 yards from where the Purbaugh was to the joke of a crater.
And nice pristine red bandanna and intact bibles “found” at the scene even though a single drop of blood was not.
mel – these people wouldn’t believe a word of any investigation if Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, and Thomas Jefferson all came down and testified to the truth.
They’ve created a struggle because it isn’t really anything to struggle against, yet it satisfies their human and biological urge to struggle against something and allows them to believe that they are the gatekeepers to some truth that the majority of people are just not smart enough to get.
I have a question for you NoName. Mark Bingham a resident of the San Francisco Bay Area was on United Air Lines flight 93. He died. He’s dead. He’s gone. His family knows this. Their loved one is no longer with them.
If United 93 did not crash in Pennsylvania then were did it crash? If it did crash somewhere else then that was some crash. Nobody saw it. No emergency agencies admitted to responding to the crash. The wreckage was totally destroyed or carted away without anyone seeing or saying one word about it.
I live out West where the land is vast and people are scarce. That might happen in rural Montana, Wyoming or Colorado. It could happen in Arizona and New Mexico too. Parts of Washington, Oregon and California, Utah and Idaho are remote. Let’s not forget Nevada too. I suppose an airliner could crash in the remote areas of western states without any witnesses. But in eastern part of the U.S.? Given the larger population I don’t see how any airliner could crash anywhere in the East and not be seen.
I know, airforcewife, but it’s still baffling. I might well be beating my head against a brick wall but at least I’m making some noise. If we don’t make noise they’ll eventually drown us out completely.
Noname, you keep asking about the nose of the plane as if I’m going to give you a different response. Just because the nose was not found intact does not mean that the plane didn’t crash. Again, I re-iterate: I have an education in fire science. I have seen plenty of odd objects survive things like this. I don’t need to repeat that point. I didn’t talk about bibles, either, I talked about the flight log.
And as I said, Purbaugh didn’t miss the plane, he saw it quite clearly and described it well. And it is entirely possible that the wings would rock if the plane was being handled poorly. I’ve been on planes in severe turbulence and have seen the wings rock slightly.
And I hate to tell you this, but UAV’s have wings, too. They don’t have engines on the back of ‘em the way McElwain described. A LEAR jet is also different from a Dassault Falcon. Would you please give me something fresh?
“How in the world did he miss it flying upside down if it was 50ft above his head?”
He saw the airliner for a split second. In his mind’s eye he thought he saw the airliner flying right side up because he, you and I have never seen one flying upside down? His brain processed the image based on past memory not current time because it all happened too fast.
As personal friend of the family of Mark Bingham, who was on flight 93 I want to say that YES body parts were found. Mark was identified through DNA and his remains were buried. I’m telling you this first hand. not some nut that’s reading crap off some delusional person’s site with 1/2 ass facts. Shame on these sad, pathetic nuts for casting a shadow on what these men and women did on that plane.
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