Excuses, Excuses

When Ron Paul was discovered accepting campaign donations from known white supremacists, he refused to send the money back. He said that they had a right to their beliefs and he had no place judging them. I, like many others, called him out for making excuses, and poor ones at that – that accepting the money was akin to agreeing with their idiotic beliefs.

Dan Clevenger, the mayor of Marionville, MO, is now doing the same thing while he backpedals like mad.

On Sunday, April 13, Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. went to two Jewish community centers and killed three people (he fired at far more than that) with a shotgun. He had long since been very well-known for his white supremacist beliefs, particularly for his Antisemitic views. For well over a decade he’s lived in the Overland Park suburb of Kansas City and has continually espoused his beliefs that Jews are the cause of all of the problems in our country. His self-published book, “A White Man Speaks Out”, is on the shelf at the local library. Clevenger is now trying to say that the 2,200 or so who live in Marionville don’t believe the way Miller does.

Clevenger, however, does – and it is quite well-documented.

In October 2004, Clevenger wrote a letter to the editor of the Aurora Advertiser where he called Miller a friend and openly agreed with his beliefs about Jews. He said he wanted to spread Miller’s “warnings”, including that of Jews in the medical industry making money by “killing us off”. Just in the last few days he has continued to spit out those vile beliefs in more than one interview. He believes that Jews are running the world economy and Jews are responsible for the economic crash – because, you know, Jews run the Federal Reserve, right? How does he know? The names, of course! Only one Jewish name in the bunch since 1913, but you know it has to be a conspiracy.

In an interview with CNN, Clevenger said, “I considered him a friend, and everyone is entitled to freedom of speech and I didn’t keep him away because he was a customer. I can just ignore things that people say.” The problem here is that he’s not ignoring anything. He’s openly agreeing with it.

You don’t see these types walking into gay community centers and shooting them up. You don’t see white supremacists bombing gay bars. They do that to Jewish community centers. Hatred for Jews is the one kind of hatred that transcends all other racial and ethnic boundaries, including sexual orientation. I have met gay people who believe this way…that Jews are destroying the world through the economy, medicine, and the supposed occupation of Palestine.

Now that Clevenger has been outed, it will be interesting to see if he gets re-elected for a second term. If he does, I won’t be going through Kansas City any time soon.

A Massacre Best Forgotten

This year will mark the 40th anniversary of the massacre of eleven Israeli athletes after a 21-hour standoff in Munich during the XX Olympiad. The International Olympic Committee, however, has steadfastly refused to hold a moment of silence to remember the athletes and coaches who were kidnapped, beaten and then killed.

They’ve held moments of silence before. In 1984, a moment of silence was observed for war-torn Sarajevo. At the close of the 1996 games, they held a moment of silence for the victims of the Centennial Park bombing (which took place during the games). In 2002, less than a year after 9/11, our colors were carried in straight from the ashes of Ground Zero and our tattered flag was raised amid a moment of silence. THIS year, a moment of silence was observed along with a video tribute to Brits who died during the transit bombings the day after London won the 2012 games. Never, not once, in any Olympiad since 1972 has the IOC allowed a moment of silence to remember the innocent sons, husbands, and fathers from Israel who were slaughtered by terrorists. They’ve allowed commemoration for everyone impacted by jihadi terrorism except for Israelis.

It seems to me that the IOC’s message is clear: the Israelis deserved it. We’ll play along just enough to get by, but deep down we believe they deserved it because they’re dirty Jews and we’re hoping that the Palestinians eventually just kill them all.

I might be taking it a bit far there, but how else can I interpret their utter lack of recognition for one of the most brazenly inhumane terrorist attacks in modern history? They’ll hold a moment of silence for everyone BUT the Israelis? Really? What else can we glean from that?

Guri Weinberg, the son of slain wrestling coach Moishe Weinberg, recently wrote a very strong-worded op-ed about his interaction with the IOC. Guri is now an actor; he was only a month old when his father was murdered at the Olympic village. He, along with other widows and children of the slain athletes, has long hoped and argued for a moment of silence to remember their calm bravery before their deaths. It was hoped in 1996 that such recognition would finally come to pass, but when the group met with Alex Gilady – who at the time was a member of the IOC’s Radio & Television Commission and is the Senior VP of NBC Sports today – they were met again with disappointment. He told them his hands were tied, then made an astonishing comment: if they held a moment of silence for the Israelis who had died that day, they would also have to hold a moment of silence for the Palestinians who had died during the botched rescue attempt.

Those Palestinians weren’t athletes. They were terrorists. They were there to use collateral damage to chastise the IOC for not recognizing Palestine as a member and force Israel to release more than 200 other terrorists from jails all over the world (it’s worth noting that among the prisoners were a pair of German Neo Nazis from the group that had helped the terrorists get fake ID’s and detailed info on the Olympic village and where different athletes were being housed). I’m absolutely floored that anyone in the IOC would actually believe that recognizing that event would also require paying homage to the terrorists who carried out the act.

The day after the massacre, all of the flags in the Olympic stadium were lowered to half-mast. Each and every Arab nation represented demanded that their flags not be lowered for dead Jews. Since the massacre, Iranian athletes have become famous for withdrawing from events where they would have to compete against Jews. The IOC claims to want to uphold the “spirit of the Olympic Charter”, yet when extreme unsportsmanlike behavior rears its ugly head, they back down and slink away as if they are completely impotent.

In a telling move, Jibril Rajoub, head of the Palestinian Olympic Committee, said, “Sports are meant for peace, not for racism… Sports are a bridge to love, interconnection, and spreading of peace among nations; it must not be a cause of division and spreading of racism between them [nations].” That statement leaves me in a fury. He said that in a letter to IOC president Jacques Rogge, the coward who openly refused (almost mocked) to allow a moment of silence during the 2012 opening ceremony in London. In that same letter, he referred to the massacre as the “Munich Operation” and did not acknowledge the loss of innocent Israeli life with so much as a glimmer of humanity. Such innuendo makes me wish Israel would simply say “to hell with this ridiculous ‘peace’ process” and clear out every Palestinian camp and neighborhood.

Mahmoud Abbas is currently the head of the PLO and the president of the Palestinian National Authority. He didn’t get there by sitting on his laurels. Abu Daoud, now the only surviving planner of the attack, wrote in his autobiography that Abbas funded the operation and knew exactly what they were going to be doing. Abbas’ hands are just as bloody as Yasser Arafat’s were, and our government officials still try to talk to him as if he really wants peace. He, along with every Arab nation that sits on the IOC, is perfectly happy to pretend that it either didn’t happen or was justified – and the IOC is happy to oblige.

Every single delegate to the IOC who does not stand up and scream bloody murder about these injustices is an accomplice to them. I include the US delegate in that.

The Birth of Nazism

Germany did not become a killing machine overnight. When Adolf Hitler first arrived in the political arena of Germany, most of those in the middle- and upper-class saw him as little more than a thug and a nuisance (including then-president Paul von Hindenburg). He appealed heavily to the poor, however, and his party – the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party), otherwise known as the Nazis for short – became a rising star in the German Reichstag. In 1932, Hitler made his one and only bid to run for office. He ran for the German Presidency; while garnering 11 million votes, he placed second behind Hindenburg. Other Nazi party members had been elected to German parliament, however, and once they gained enough of a foothold, they forced Hindenburg to accept Hitler as chancellor in exchange for agreement on legislation that would rebuild the German government in a more authoritarian bent. Hindenburg, who referred to Hitler as the “Bohemian Corporal”, also hoped that setting him up as chancellor would appease him and slake his thirst for political power.

Well before he was appointed chancellor, Hitler had made clear (largely through his manifesto, Mein Kampf) his beliefs in a “master race” and his intense hatred of the Jews. He didn’t suggest killing at first, but he slammed those who were mentally ill, disabled, homosexual, Jewish and Roma (Gypsies) as threats to the great Aryan race that he saw as being superior to all others. Hitler certainly wasn’t the only Antisemitic figure in German politics, but he was likely the most vehement. He spent more than 30 pages of his screed on syphilis and why those who carried the disease needed to be snuffed out.

Nobody knows what started the Reichstag fire. Marinus van der Lubbe, a Dutch communist and drifting bricklayer, was found inside the building as the fire was still being extinguished and claimed more than once that he was trying to ignite a communist rallying cry. It was later found that the Nazis had fabricated some of the evidence for van der Lubbe’s guilt, but that the Soviets in control of the former East Germany had also fabricated evidence of his innocence, so we really don’t know what happened despite a number of theories. Either way, it was the burning of the Reichstag that drove Hindenburg to approve the withdrawal of nearly every single basic right the German people had – including free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure. Hitler used the Reichstag Fire Decree to “suspend” those rights. Only later did the Germans discover he had no intention of giving them back willingly.

Hitler didn’t actually become the Führer until 1934, when Hindenburg died. Having already consolidated power, removed Weimar Republic leadership from German states and cities, and imprisoned all political prisoners – to include anarchists, communists, and globalists – Hitler was now free to build his vision of Germania and the Aryan race.

The Nazi propaganda machine, under Josef Goebbels, had already done its part to all but brainwash Germans into believing Hitler’s lies. Young boys were drawn into the “Hitler Youth” movement, while young girls were openly required to join “Hitler Maidens” and were encouraged to start having children, in or out of wedlock, as early as possible. Girls aged 15 and 16 commonly came home from Hitler Maidens camps pregnant; at one Nuremberg rally, more than 900 girls went home pregnant. Parents, initially furious at what was happening, eventually gave up because they feared the Gestapo.

Those who were found to be lacking somehow in genetic purity, however, were forcibly sterilized. Upwards of 400,000 Germans were sterilized under the Nazis for all manner of weaknesses, including mental illness, blindness, deafness, homosexuality, and a number of other so-called genetic illnesses that Hitler believed would poison the Aryans. He was a firm believer in eugenics (a concept heavily pushed by Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood).

Worse than that, a rumbling began that would eventually be virtually unstoppable. Nazi hatred of the Jews was also a major part of their propaganda. It began with the identification of businesses owned by Jews and urges from the Nazis to refuse to shop in Jewish stores – only to patronize German-owned stores. Jews were stripped of their German citizenship and any and all rights as Germans. Jewish doctors were stripped of their medical licenses and practices. Jewish lawyers were disbarred, often in the middle of court hearings taken out to the street and beaten. Jewish farmers saw their land confiscated and were never allowed to return to farming. Jews were barred from German schools and colleges. Jews were forbidden from being members of the press. Jews were forbidden from marrying or having sex with Aryans. In 1938, after Kristallnacht, German and Austrian Jews were rounded up and sent to the first concentration camps – such as Dachau and Buchenwald. By 1939, Germany took over Poland and began emptying the ghettos with the intent of relocating Polish Jews to them. They were forced to give up 90% of their money and belongings; clothing, shelter and food were scarce in the ghettos, fostering unsanitary conditions and disease.

In 1940, after the Jews in these ghettos had descended into a pathetic existence, Goebbels took film crews to the ghettos and filmed them for a propaganda film called Der Ewige Jude. The film portrayed the Jews as lazy, greedy, filthy parasites content to live in bug-infested shacks. The film also attributed 82% of international crime rings and 98% of prostitution to the Jews. Interspersed throughout shots of starving Jews in tattered clothing being forced to do manual labor that they weren’t physically capable of carrying out were shots of rat infestations, driving home the accusation that the Jews were the cause of all the world’s ills. In short, the Nazis created deplorable, inhumane conditions and forced the Jews to live in them – then shot film of their handiwork and accused the Jews of being morally bankrupt and heartless.

Incredibly, in 1938, Adolf Hitler was named TIME Magazine’s “Man of the Year”. He was only getting started.

Happy Hanukkah!

Shalom! In solidarity with my friends in Israel and all of my Jewish friends stateside, I’d like to share the three traditional Hanukkah blessings recited on the first night, during the lighting of the first candle on the Menorah.

Barukh atah Adonai, Eloheinu, melekh ha’olam
Asher kidishanu b’mitz’votav v’tzivanu
L’had’lik neir shel Chanukah. (Amein)
Blessed are you, Lord, our God, sovereign of the universe
Who has sanctified us with His commandments and commanded us
to light the lights of Hanukkah (Amen)

Barukh atah Adonai, Eloheinu, melekh ha’olam
she’asah nisim la’avoteinu bayamim haheim baziman hazeh. (Amein)
Blessed are you, Lord, our God, sovereign of the universe
Who performed miracles for our ancestors in those days at this time

Barukh atah Adonai, Eloheinu, melekh ha’olam
shehecheyanu v’kiyimanu v’higi’anu laz’man hazeh. (Amein)
Blessed are you, Lord, our God, sovereign of the universe
who has kept us alive, sustained us, and enabled us to reach this season (Amen)

L’Chaim!

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The Political Power of Networking Sites

Thank you, Facebook!

Thank you, Twitter!

Forget Palin-for-President.  She’s making a lot of money (more than she would as President) and is having a ball being an unelected American endorsing candidates with her own new form of power, much of which has been propelled by Facebook and Twitter.

Rand Paul won in a landslide after her endorsement.

Susana Martinez won after her endorsement.

And the few who have lost were in heavy blue states (or tainted with RINOs) and still lost only by a couple of numbers.

Obama’s endorsements on the other hand = a guaranteed loss.  In fact, if conservatives wanted to be unfair to their opponents this year, they could all pay Obama to campaign and endorse them.

Palin is still growing a massive following and people just love her for the reactions she gets out of liberals. 

There is much to be said for Facebook and Twitter with regard to fueling her messages which immediately get reprinted on every major news outlet across this great land.

Palin was right.  With networking sites like Facebook and Twitter, conservatives are getting their messages out.  Even within my circle of personal friends on Facebook, the ones who never cared about politics before are swinging closer and closer to the right and inheriting wisdom by fact-checking one of my rants. 

Even some of my Facebooking left-wingers are vowing to never vote for liberals again.

Because of Facebook, we are able to hold constant conversations and continue to inform folks — even if they don’t sign on looking for it.

As such, I firmly believe that Facebook and Twitter used by powerful people like Sarah Palin are proving to surpass the power of the major media outlets. 

Take the Helen Thomas scandal for example.  Days ago, Mel here at gayconservative was the first to my world to write on Helen Thomas’s boneheaded remarks in which she suggested Jews go back “home” to Poland or Germany (where they were gassed in masses years ago).  Of course, there was no significant coverage of this — at least not to the point where anything was done about it –particularly since these comments were blatant leaving absolutely no room for excuses or characterizations of misspoken words and botched sentences.

This morning, after Palin’s Twitter, and after the MSM’s reporting of Palin’s Twitter, Nine Speakers, Inc. has fired Helen Thomas from the list of speakers.  As such, an upcoming speech of hers was cancelled. 

Amazing!  The first phase of holding the media responsible and sending a message to all journalists: if you want to keep your jobs, quit being biased idiots!

And if that isn’t proof enough, have a look at the liberals’ comments on a liberal website.  They really make it all worth it:

We all hate Sarah Palin sooo much! The other day she said she liked strawberry ice cream…I mean, it HAD been my favorite flavor but now I’ll never eat it again…becuz Palin’s political ideas are….slutty stewardess ideas, yeah that’s it. It’s so cool to hate her along with you guys, hating her is what makes me (and us) so EXTRA cool!

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If you aren’t on Facebook or Twitter and are one of the many articulate visitors of this blog, what the hell are you waiting for?

Israel’s Prerogative

 

According to Merriam Webster, the definition of prerogative is “an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege.”  When it comes to building settlements in “occupied” territory, Israel has that exclusive right.  They won the 7 Day War in 1967.  They own the territory.  No one has any right to dictate what the nation of Israel should do.  Nor should anyone encroach on their sovereignty.

The world believes that, because the Middle East is a fragile region, Israel should sacrifice her sovereignty, her rights and her identity in order to appease the wishes of the international community and their vision of peace.  The false thinking is that Israel’s acquiescence to international demands will placate the Arab/Persian nations.  Not so.  Those nations and people are bent on Israel’s destruction at any cost.  Any negotiation or talks are simply attempts by the Arab/Persian nations to buy time while they determine the best way to eradicate the Jewish nation.

So, when I see headlines like “Despite U.S. Rift, Israel OKs West Bank Building,” I recoil.  Israel doesn’t need US permission to build houses or apartments in the “occupied” territory.  Israel is not an occupier anymore than the US was an occupier in Iraq.  Israel, like the US, was a victor. They determine what happens with the territory.  Consequently, they are entitled to build as they wish.

By rebuffing U.S. pressure, Netanyahu has tried to cement the support of a coalition that is committed to strengthening Israel’s control over the West Bank.At the same time, he has offered to slow construction afterward in exchange for overtures from the Arab world. This has mollified the Americans or the Palestinians, who have demanded an immediate and total freeze.

“Given the choice between making peace and making settlements, they have chosen to make settlements,” chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said.

Unfortunately, George W Bush and his two predecessors lent credibility to this appeasement. They were helped by Israel’s Labor and Kadima administrations.  Now that Likud is in control, they are simply asserting the rights that they have.  I was estatic the day that Netanyahu gained power.

Prime Minister Netanyahu and his administration should resist Obama and the international community.  I used to believe in a Two-State solution, but I’m really starting to doubt that.  I watch Iran gain nukes, the Taliban and al-Qaeda gain power in Afghanistan/Pakistan and the continued radicalization of the Middle East – and I wonder how we can dictate our orders to the democratic nation of Israel.  The Israelis deserve our total, unconditional support .

Here’s some food for thought –

Dani Dayan, leader of the West Bank settlers’ council, said the government had approved only limited construction and accused it of caving in to American pressure.”North Korea is going on developing its nuclear capabilities, Iran is going on developing its nuclear capabilities, we have threats all over the world and all the world international community is interested with is whether my daughter builds her house next to mine,” he told foreign reporters. “It is all based on the erroneous perception that the creation of a Palestinian state is the magical solution to the situation here.”

Amen brother.

Oh Really????

Despite the fact that Saturday Night Live tends to focus an overwhelming majority of their political potshots on Republicans, I still enjoy the show from time-to-time.  For those of you unfamiliar with SNL – The “Weekend Update” segment of the show occasionally features a series called “Oh Really?’ where the “anchors” choose a person(s) who has done something boneheaded without any thought of the ramifications of their actions.  The mocking of the bonehead in question is merciless and hilarious.

I couldn’t get this out of my head as I read this article posted on wcbstv.com

In a swift about face from her views as New York’s senator, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is now hammering Israel over its treatment of Palestinians in Gaza.

As First Lady, Clinton raised eyebrows when she kissed Suha Arafat.

Since she was then seeking a Senate seat the resulting brouhaha caused her to “re-think” her positions.

“I’m a very strong supporter of Israel,” Clinton said back in February 2000.

On Thursday, as Secretary of State she had yet another about face in the form of angry messages demanding Israel speed up aid to Gaza. Jewish leaders are furious.

And then comes this reaction to Hillary’s about-face –

“I am very surprised, frankly, at this statement from the United States government and from the secretary of state,” said Mortimer Zuckerman, publisher of the New York Daily News and member of the NYC Jewish Community Relations Council.

“I liked her a lot more as a senator from New York,” Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, said. “Now, I wonder as I used to wonder who the real Hillary Clinton is.”

OH REALLY?????

So you elect Democrats who are merely paying lip-service to American Jews with their “support” of Israel and then expect that these createns will hold true to their word?  You elect a guy who diminishes the Iranian threat and supports measures to stifle the war on terror, then expect he will stare down Hamas and support the state of Israel?

OH REALLY?????

I have frequently mentioned Mark Davis here before.  He is our local conservative talkshow host on WBAP 820 AM and is a sometimes-guest fill-in for Rush Limbaugh.  Mark has often wondered how American Jews have become such a reliable constituency for the Democrats.  He believes, as do I, that those Jewish voters have a “cavalier” attitude towards Israel.  In other words – these Jewish voters have decided that their domestic political interests outweigh any allegiance they may have towards the state of Israel and their heritage.  Davis believes that this is their right and their prerogative.  I agree with that.

But, when I hear of American Jews suddenly disenchanted with the anti-Israeli actions and rhetoric coming from the Democrats – I am dumbfounded to the point of hysterical laughter.  What planet must you be on to believe that the Democrats will ultimately stand behind Israel?  Their neophyte President aligned himself with anti-Semites and doesn’t have any record on anything of national significance – much less foreign policy.  Yet a big majority of Jewish voters took a gamble.  And now they will lose out –

Clinton’s decision to hammer Israel comes as the Clintons and President Barack Obama are planning to give the Palestinians $900 million toward the rebuilding of Gaza in the wake of the Israeli offensive that was sparked by Hamas rocket fire.

The majority of American Jews voted for him.  Now they’re stuck with him.  And let me add yet another apology to Steve regarding this election.  Steve was beside himself that Hillary would be the next Secretary of State.  I responded with hope that she would temper Obama’s foreign policy.  I was wrong.  Hillary Clinton is as morally bankrupt as the rest of her party.  She will toe the Obama line evidently. Democrats have historically shown a propensity to change positions as often as most people change their underwear.  And Hillary’s husband was the poster child for such maddening fickleness.

So yeah – “really.”  I doubt this will change any hearts amongst the Jewish Dems.  And I’m sure that the Democrats and Obama will temper rhetoric sufficiently to curb some of the criticism.  After all – they need the money and votes that come with the Jewish community in America.  Thank God Netanyahu’s rise to power coincided with this election.  The Israeli people will need his strength and courage to offset the damage that will be done by Obama’s policy towards Israel.  I truly believe providence is at work.

Liberals Going Crazy Over Religion?

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It took Ann Coulter 50 thousand boring appearances on Hardball to realize that Chris Matthews was a liberal sellout.  When is she going to get the same message about Donny Deutsch (basically Barbara Boxer without the make-up)?  The last interview I saw of him with her was when he basically had a sissy fest over her remarks about the Jersey Girls.  Then it was Donny that was responsible for the indignance created over Ann implying that Bill Clinton’s behavior implied a level of “latent homosexuality” with a “bathhouse mentality.”  (Okay, I’d buy that, btw)  But for some reason, Deutsch takes the indignant road.  I don’t know how many times he has told Ann he was offended by something she has said, but I sure know how he gets his show in the headlines – by his many interviews with Ann Coulter

In the last interview, Coulter described Christians as “perfected Jews” and as she explained this, Deutsch continued to cut her off and was happy to leave it at her saying something offensive about Jews, him being offended, him acting indignant while simultaneously claiming that he’s not a liberal. 

Deutsch certainly is not passing the conservative-test with me.  Doesn’t he know that being an effective conservative means that you have to be censured by House and Senate Democrats?  Doesn’t he know that in order to be a real Republican, you have to have authors like Adam Nichols of the NY Daily News saying things about you like:

She called 9/11 widows “witches,” demanded killing and converting Muslims and branded presidential candidate John Edwards a “faggot.”

Now big-mouthed right-winger Ann Coulter has turned her slur machine on Jews.

Now we all know by now that Ann did not suggest converting all Muslims to Christianity (just the ones cheering and dancing in the streets of Middle-Eastern countries celebrating 3,000 American deaths).  We all know that Ann did not call 9/11 widows “witches” – she referred to four widows known as the “Jersey Girls” as “witches” and “harpies” for using their husbands’ deaths to force their insane political beliefs on the entire country that puts us at risk for more attacks.  She also referred to Edwards as a “faggot” in the schoolyard wuss-meaning to make fun of the fact that Isiah Washington was sent to rehab for using a word.

Similarly, I know that Coulter was trying to make a point to Deutsch about Biblical doctrine and Christians.  It is a fact that Jews are more bound by law to get to God than Christians are.  Christians accept that Christ died for their sins and we know that we are covered by his blood.  As Ann pointed out, Christians have the fast-track to Christ.  It’s like an Express-train.

I wonder if liberals got this indignant over Ahmadinejad’s denunciation of Jews?  Well of course they did!  There were so angered he got an invitation to speak at Columbia University!

In the end we have another victory for Ann, Donny Deutsch’s boring show gets a little media coverage, and we get to humorously listen to liberals pretend to care about Judaism!  A religion with 50-thousand more rules and laws than Christianity.

  • The Cost of Ann’s New Book: $14.97
  • Donny Deutch’s pin-striped suit jacket worn in the interview: $49
  • Listening to liberals defend any religion other than Islam: Priceless!

If Deutsch was a real-practicing Jew, or if liberals knew what they were talking about, they would know what any other true Jew or Christian knows in regard to what she was saying.  There was nothing “absurd” about it.